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Post by Royals GM (Ryan) on Jan 14, 2016 4:08:30 GMT
It hurts trading because if you have a few guys you're willing to take, you can trade down and pick up some picks later on. That's the main thing I see. But I'm not opposed to the changes
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Post by Padres GM (Steven) on Jan 14, 2016 4:48:31 GMT
No one wants to move up in the draft if they can't guarantee their guy. If you have the last pick of a round, no one is going to want to move up into that spot since they really won't have much idea if they are going to be able to get their guy. I don't mind the changes, but I agree that it will really kill trading.
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Post by A's GM (Justin - Commissioner) on Jan 14, 2016 4:58:27 GMT
On a round to round basis, it does decrease the level of freedom with which you can openly know pick scenarios; however, I don't believe we're at the point any longer where people should be fearing their target player will be taken in short order.
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Greg) on Jan 14, 2016 5:06:18 GMT
we are getting to a point in the draft where trading up should be almost irrelevant. You are more likely to get your guy anyway at this point and even more likely as the rounds go on. Picking in exact order become less and less as important as getting the draft done is.
Round 6 took 9 days to complete. at 3-4 picks per day round 15 will end on opening day
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Post by Brewers GM (Greg) on Jan 14, 2016 11:51:13 GMT
Would it be too much work for Justin or useful on the trading front to have the picks posted as they come in? So the Nationals have the next pick, when they send in their PM with their player Justin posts that player, and then the Indians when their pick is submitted and so on. It would provide us with extra information about who is picking and might make people more willing to move up if they know some of the picks in front of them. Then when the 48 hours is up he posts any picks that hadn't been posted yet.
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Post by Padres GM (Steven) on Jan 14, 2016 14:05:35 GMT
we are getting to a point in the draft where trading up should be almost irrelevant. You are more likely to get your guy anyway at this point and even more likely as the rounds go on. Picking in exact order become less and less as important as getting the draft done is. Round 6 took 9 days to complete. at 3-4 picks per day round 15 will end on opening day I don't disagree. I'm simply stating that I can see how this would kill trading, which is what someone else expressed concern over before. I'm fine with getting this thing moving, and I think this idea will help that. I am able to see the other side of it is all.
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Post by Braves GM (Dave) on Jan 14, 2016 15:26:18 GMT
Please understand, I am fine with whatever you decide Justin, but I do want to privide my two cents.
Personally, I don't know why there is such a rush to get this in by opening day, because these players we'll be picking come round 20-45 won't even be up until 2017-2020 range.
For trading, I like to trade up when I can ensure a player. The new process will not enable me to accomplish this. I like to trade down when there is no tier drop in sight. The new process again will not enable me to accomplish this.
If it must be completed by opening day, then I think we should continue the draft the way it was being run, but reduce the window to 6 hours for a couple more rounds, and then reduce it to 3 hours, and hopefully by round 15 everyone has a one hour window. If someone misses five picks in a row, in other words "an entire week" because they are not active, that is their decision.
Again, there's no money involved, so I'm fine either way.
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Post by Braves GM (Dave) on Jan 14, 2016 15:31:48 GMT
One other thing I just thought of... if we are trying to encourage owners to be more active, the new process goes against this idea.
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Post by Yankees GM (Peyton) on Jan 14, 2016 17:08:34 GMT
I'll concur with a lot of the points being made earlier, as I can't say I'm a fan of the new draft format. Instead, I'd strongly encourage us to go the route that Toronto suggested as I similarly have seen that kind of system used effectively for years to move drafts along while allowing each team to maintain the autonomy of making their own selection. I might suggest only, say, 8-10 picks a day, but nevertheless, I think it's a preferred approach.
My preference for something like Toronto's system is three fold. First, as mentioned, it pretty much kills any trading for all the reasons discussed. Second, it removes autonomy from each team to make their own pick (and any insight that might be gleamed from who has been taken earlier in the round). Finally, it could actually require MORE work, especially for some of us. I can't speak for everyone, but my list of prospects is not ranked in strict numerical order (i.e., I don't have a 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.). Instead, I identify a top tier of guys and, when it's my pick, take the guy who I like best in that tier. However, with this new system, not only do I have to figure out who I like best in that tier, but now I also have to rank the entire tier and find and rank guys in the next tier, especially if I'm picking late in a round. Given that I'm actually looking things up and reading about players, it's a lot of unnecessary time to try to rank #5 vs. #6 on a list when the likelihood they get selected is small.
Regardless of my concerns, note that I'll roll with whatever Justin wants to do. But I thought I'd offer my two cents on top of Dave's double pennies.
-Peyton
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Post by Royals GM (Ryan) on Jan 14, 2016 17:22:12 GMT
Seeing proposals now flow in, I'm a decent fan of Brewers proposal
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Post by A's GM (Justin - Commissioner) on Jan 14, 2016 17:25:17 GMT
I'll take all of this into account. I think it might be still to soon to employ this method because there are concerns over trading down/up in a round. I think later on in the draft (around 20 or so), picks will become much more off the board and this draft method could be the most efficient because nobody will feel like they have to trade down/up to get their guy.
I'm only concerned about officiating timed draft slots and the fact that everyone's schedule is different. I don't want to assign for example the Cardinals to pick every three days at 8:00am EST only to find out that they work at that time and will never be able to get a pick in on time. Likewise, I know not everyone here is from the same timezone and that sleep schedules are very different.
I'll try to roll with something else for round 8 or 9 but I need to see something that works better to ensure the scheduling of each pick. In my mind, what's the point of having windows at all if their so small that you rarely see people picking in them? I consider myself the top tier for activity in this league, and I know 100% I could never make each pick if given a tiny window that might be at 2:00am.
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Post by A's GM (Justin - Commissioner) on Jan 14, 2016 17:31:11 GMT
@brewersgm
Do you mean to have each pick posted once the PM is sent in so long as they are next in line to pick? I like this idea but it kind of gets held up when one team doesn't pick early on.
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Post by Orioles GM (Ryan) on Jan 14, 2016 18:20:56 GMT
I'm definitely much more on board with assigning each team a time to pick.
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Post by Brewers GM (Greg) on Jan 14, 2016 18:24:17 GMT
That was my suggestion. Yes it could get hung up if someone doesn't send in their pick until the last minute. It isn't perfect, but would at least provide some action and information while we wait for the 48 hour window to close. And maybe doesn't completely kill trading.
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Post by Pirates GM (Steve) on Jan 14, 2016 19:28:59 GMT
I like the Braves GM's suggestions here since it's closest to the current format we're using and would seem to keep everyone happy. I wouldn't really support a timed slot but I think everyone should be able to spend 5 minutes on this once a day, right?
I'm also good with the suggestion from the commish that this is round 20-onward, that's a pretty reasonable option.
I think the emphasis should be put on managers to make their picks instead of the commish to employ a new draft structure just 7 rounds in. More than half of the league is quick to pick and I sense a few of us only hold out a few hours just to finish up the trade talks we had open.
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